Vicious dogs should be banned

March 31, 2010
By

The Board of Aldermen has put more teeth into an ordinance governing vicious dogs in this city.

The ordinance does not go far enough in our opinion.

Pit bulls should be banned from public parks and spaces – and in fact, they should be banned entirely in the city.

The identification of a dog as vicious, in most instances, is usually about pit bulls.

Beagles, aren’t vicious. Labs aren’t vicious. Even German Shepherds aren’t vicious.

Pit bulls are vicious. The people who raise them and who walk them with heavy chains and who us them for personal protection do not aid in making the streets and parks safer.

Pit bulls inside homes are a danger to children and to the elderly.

In Lynn last week, a great grandmother, 76, was mauled by a pit bull.

The pit bull was put down as a result – and as a result, that particular vicious animal will never again attack a grandmother or maul a child.

Animal lovers are generally appalled about calls for banning certain animals.

After all, they point out, animals are a bit like people.

Some are vicious and some aren’t.

All animals shouldn’t be judged by the actions of some animals.

Pit bulls are largely responsible for more mauling of innocents than any other dog in Massachusetts.

They are a dangerous, vicious breed and we’re sorry to say, they reflect the general tendencies of their owners in many, many cases.

The owner of the pit bull that mauled the 76-year old great grandmother hid from police and tried to pin the ownership of the dog on his mother.

This was a very nice touch.

Then the pit bull owner tried to pin the mauling on the elderly woman, who, they claim, entered their apartment without knocking, which caused the pit bull to maul her.

Pit bulls were once a favored breed in America – but not anymore.

All pit bulls aren’t vicious and dangerous – just most of them.

The aldermen are right to re-visit dog rules and regulations for vicious dogs.

When you think about it, some people we know should be categorized the same way as dogs, as vicious individuals and removed from the general public in the name of public safety.

Pit bulls are vicious maulers. If you see one coming toward, get out of the way, because there’s a good chance the next one mauled will be you or one of your loved ones.

  • PitVictim

    This is taken from an interview with Skeldon. He was due for retirement when he retired. Whatever his previous plans were, would you put up with this shit? He didn't have to. And again I remind you that the officials voted against firing him and when he decided to retire, these same officials appointed his relative to the animal commission so as to maintain contact with Skeldon.

    “During segment two, Skeldon explains the “straw that broke the camel's back” concerning the Blade and Commissioner Ben Konop. According to Skeldon, the young grandstanding commissioner has a history of beating up devoted county employees during public meetings. About a year-and-a-half ago, Skeldon was told that he was Konop's next target. Skeldon was also told by his political superiors to “rollover” to Konop — to not defend himself and his department.

    Skeldon, however, did not “rollover” during the public meeting. Skeldon told WTOL, “For 45 minutes Konop was throwing hardballs and for 45 minutes I kept knocking home runs with his hardballs.” After the meeting, Skeldon's superiors instructed him to cease contact with the media, whereby halting his communication to the public, including sharing reports of children being mauled. Skeldon said that from that point forward, his department became a “punching bag.””

    See how the pit nutters want to keep the truth about attacks from people. I don't blame him for getting outta there, they don't deserve him. Still all and all, you are distorting the truth again.

  • PitVictim

    Considering you accept nothing positive about BSL, I would say the shoe fits for your support of the dogmen.

  • PitVictim

    At least she had that “talk” with you. Good to know you know you have a vagina, Geez. Doesn't change your stupidity though. Isn't it past your bedtime?

  • kcdogblog

    I say “he resigned under intense political pressue”.

    You say, he was instructed to cease contact with the media, his department became a punching bag and you say “would you put up with that shit?”

    I'm not sure those are really two different scenerios. They seem like the exact same thing to me.

  • PitVictim

    I check out each thing on DBO, I don't take it as the Gospel and believe blindly like you do with your “research”. I never take anyone's word for something, I do my own checking. All the links you can want are on DBO. Get them and then do your own research. But be sure to ask your Messiah for permission first.

    Plus who are you to call the kettle black when you have your false puppymaster Messiah that you follow. You've not had one individual thought posted on your blog in all the time you've had it. Everything is taken from another's mouth.

  • kcdogblog

    Over a dozen national organizations of experts oppose BSL. The number in favor of it? Zero.

    The evidence — and the experts – are overwhelmingly against the legislation you propose. Good luck convincing the rest of the world that you are smarter than all of them.

  • PitVictim

    I didn't say I was smarter, I just don't take money to form my opinions unlike these organizations. You've not been around this stuff very long have you? In the very early 90's or maybe even late 80's HSUS came out against no kill. Their donations dropped enough so that they backstepped. No different now. Money influences everything including these organizations you condemn except when it fits your agenda. I don't have to convince the world, the pits and the pit nutters are doing that well enough. I'm just sitting back waiting until people get fed up enough. And with the increasing numbers of attacks, it won't be long.

  • kcdogblog

    It's funny that you say that — but in all of my posts on this forum, I've never referenced Winograd except in reference to you bringing him up (like in this case). It appears as if you are WAY more obsessed with him than I am — because you keep bringing him up. Over, and over.

    And you question everything dogsbite says? Really? It's funny because even just the one-stop-shopping for information shows a huge bias on your part, and you really believe that Lancaster, CA cut rapes, murders and aggravated assaults by 45% based on a dog law? Really? Given that dogs didn't commit any of those crimes before, it sure seems unlikely that the dog law stopped any of these crimes. Way to dig deep and question them. LOL.

  • PitVictim

    Why did I expect you to say that? No, KCDogPoop, they are not the same.

  • kcdogblog

    Over a dozen organizations. All with very different agendas. All with very different donor bases. All oppose it. Meanwhile, people continue to see the stories of the Mike Vick dogs, and how these dogs went from owned by a dog fighter to therapy dogs in only a couple of years — seeing that the dogs really are a reflection of the type of owners they have. Good owners = therapy dogs. Bad owners = problems. And until you focus the policies on the bad owners, and not the dogs, you will never have success. The general public and the national organizations get that.

  • kcdogblog

    It's just semantics. But if it makes you feel better, you can have it your way.

  • PitVictim

    You're counting on the public not knowing about the Vick dogs, aren't you? How many are still in Utah? Therapy dogs, don't make me laugh. Anyone can put a coat on a dog and pass it off as a therapy dog, buy those “certification” papers online and get a good seat on the plane. Seems some have died, killed by cars, etc. Besides the Vick dogs would have taken a dirt nap if there hadn't been all that money behind them. Again here's money sticking it's ugly head up and influencing things.

    Why didn't Best Fiends take a bust of pit bulls right there in their back door last year? Because there was no money behind those dogs. I predict a court case against Best Fiends because they have not followed the court's instructions on that money. I do hope it is soon.

    Those oganizations you are now defending have no idea that they are getting all that money from the dogmen. Like I said you should know this since you get your information from those blogs and forums unless you want to cover it up maybe?

  • PitVictim

    I know your blog, nothing but the rantings of Winograd. You were part of his convention last year.

    So you don't want to regulate pits so their abuse stops and to lessen the attacks and killings of people. You support Winograd's program which has more failures at this point than successes. A program that has caused far more suffering than necessary. What does that tell me about you? What would that tell anyone about you? Can you say “I support animal abuse”?

  • A. Merc <3s Pit Bulls

    Don't you dare question the way my parents raised me. You have no right to make the majority of the comments you have made on this website and yet you claim to be the mature adult. All you are doing is taking cheap shots at people like a vindictive maniac and then standing all doe eyed in the corner spewing facts and pointing fingers.

    The pretending like I'm a child gimmick is already getting a little played out. But then again, I implore you to keep posting the way you do, because all you are doing is proving everyone else's point about your stupidity.

    So, keep going. I'm here, and my arms are tied so take a few more cheap shots!

  • A. Merc <3s Pit Bulls

    Questioning the way my mother raises me? All this coming from one stance that I have about animals and already you've determined that I don't have insurance, my parents are failures and I'm a 20 year old baby-child-adult hybrid whose lucky enough to know a vagina from a penis.

    Damn you are deductive.

  • Huh?

    I have a question, PitVicim spends 3/4 of these posts flashing DogsBite.org like a drunken college girl at Mardi Gras flashes her breasts and then as soon as other people start coming along with a myriad of websites, PitVictim claims that they do their own research and don't take DBO as the Gospel. Really? Your own research? DAMN why didn't you say so in the first place I mean we have a freakin' researcher on our hands people!

    Does he travel to Lancaster? Does he travel to Denver? Does he observe pit bulls in multiple environments with his Ph.D in veterinary care and animal behavior and determine their ultimate temperament. Does he sit on the board of the ASPCA or the HSUS? Does he have an training credentials? Does he know animal psychology? Has he witnessed, first hand, pit bulls interacting with people and animals outside of a fighting ring. Does he have paperwork listing sketchy donations to the apparently dog fighting sponsored ASPCA? Does he work with therapy dogs or have any credentials whatsoever in any field other than being mostly literate?

    Oh. Wait. He doesn't. Ok, never mind. I gotta go, my Pit bull is making a lot of noise….. oh, she's snoring. 🙂

  • kcdogblog

    The irony here is that you say they have no idea they are getting money from dogmen — and then, earlier, you said they only oppose BSL because they want to protect the donations they get from dogment.

    Which is it?

  • Interesting

    I like how you call anything that does not conform to your view on pit bulls “the propoganda machines of dog men and pit bull fighters” and say it is not credible, but then post an obviously extremely biased link with its own agenda. I guess if a link agrees with you, it is credible, but if it doesn't it must be written by dog fighters. Pitiful.

  • Credible Research

    Labradors are not vicious? Excuse me? If the author of this article had done any research he would have come to the conclusion that ALL breeds can bite, and all breeds CAN and HAVE caused damage to humans.

    One of the very first human facial transplants was recieved by a woman who had her face ripped off by none other than…a labrador retriever. Some townships and communities have banned labs due to bite incidents.

    There is no such thing as a dangerous dog breed, there is such a thing as a dangerous dog – and that dog is an individual. If every dog in the world had the chance to magically come from perfect breeders (yes the American Pit Bull Terrier too) who bred for stable temperment, then went into the hands of a responsible owner – then no, we would not have a dog bite problem. People are the problem – not the dogs or a dog's breed.

    By the way – is the ASPCA a dog fighting organization? They do not approve of BSL – http://www.aspca.org/about-us/policy-positions/

    Here are some other organizations who do not support BSL – it is quite easy to find more as well:

    National Animal Control Association
    Humane Associations of Georgia, Wisconsin, Ottowa, Idaho

    Association of Pet Dog Trainers

    American Kennel Club

    Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA)

    American Veterinary Medical Association

    National Association of Dog Obedience Instructors

    Canadian Kennel Club

    National Animal Interest Alliance

    American Animal Hospital Association

    International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants

    California Veterinary Medical Association

    Colorado Veterinary Medical Association

    Texas Veterinary Medical Association

    Louisiana Veterinary Medical Association

    Chicago Veterinary Medical Association

    American Humane

    Maryland Veterinary Medical Association

    New York State Veterinary Medical Association

    American Temperament Test Society

    American Dog Owner’s Association

    American Canine Federation

    International Association of Canine Professionals

    American Dog Breeders Association Inc.

    SPCA Los Angeles

  • Credible Research

    The Truth Behind Dogsbite.org

    Dogsbite.org is not an “expert” organization when it comes to canine behavior. There, I've said it.

    While it seems that lately, several media outlets have been treating them like they have a particular knowledge on the subject of dog bites and attacks (I'll get to a possible “why” on that later in the post), it doesn't erase the reality that dogsbite.org is simply a website run almost entirely by an individual person who has an expertise in web design, access to google, and a desire to seek revenge on an attack that happened to her several years. Those are the qualifications behind the website. And it runs no deeper than that. And treating the website as anything more than that is a recipe bad information that will lead to less safe circumstances for people and dogs. Let me explain.

    ******

    Dogsbite.org is a website run by Colleen Lynn. In June of 2007, Lynn was an unfortunate victim of a dog bite while she was out jogging. Because of the dog bite, by a dog that is said to be a 'pit bull', Lynn decided to create the website dogsbite.org. According to the original “about us” section of the website, the intent of the website was three-fold:

    — Distinguish which breeds of dogs are dangerous to have in neighborhoods

    — Help enact laws to regulate the ownership of these breeds

    — Help enact laws that hold dog owners criminally liable if their dog attacks a person or causes serious injury or death

    While I actually agree with her original third mission statement, the original purpose of the website is very clearin the first two statements — she intended to target particular breeds of dogs and ban ownership of those breeds. The goal was not public education or anything that she claims it to be about now — it was about enacting breed specific legislation…even though she has no credentials to propose legislation like that with any basis of expertise.

    And make no mistake, all of the experts organizations disagree with her idea on breed-specific legislation.

    ****

    Every mainstream national organization that is involved in canine/human interactions is opposed to laws targeting specific breeds of dogs. An at-least partial list of these organizations include:

    American Dog Owners Association

    American Humane

    American Kennel Club (AKC)

    American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA)

    American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA)

    American Working Dog Federation

    Association of Pet Dog Trainers

    Best Friends

    Center for Disease Control

    Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)

    International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants

    International Association of Canine Professionals

    National Animal Control Association

    National Animal Interest Alliance

    National Association of Dog Obedience Instructors

    National Canine Research Council

    No Kill Advocacy Center

    You find nearly one-stop shopping of all of the position statements of these groups here.

    These groups represent the best of the best in the United States for Dog Trainers, Rescues, Shelters, Animal Behaviorists, Government entities,veterinarians, and even Animal Control Officers. All of them oppose breed specific legislation. All of them, in large part, because they have experience working with the actual dogs, and read the science, and realize the aggession is not a breed-specific issue -and the reality is that most dogs, regardless of breed, do not show aggressive behavior — and yet, some dogs, of each breed, have.

    All recommend dog ordinances that focus on the the behaviors of the actual dogs, and not on its body type.

    And not listening to the professional organizations, and instead, listening to an “organization” that has no expertise, can lead to bad results. Again, their focus is not in the best interests of public safety…it's about getting revenge.

    *****

    For example: at the end of 2008, Dogsbite.org named Lucas County (OH) Dog Warden Tom Skeldon their “Dog Warden of the year.” Their reasoning is that “Skeldon has vigorously worked to prevent horrendous pit bull maulings resulting in serious injuries or death of human beings, their domesticated pets and livestock.” Interestingly, in the same year that Skeldon received this “award”, the actual number of dog bites in Lucas County had gone up 23%.

    So dog bites go up, and they give the man the dog warden of the year award because he is targeting 'pit bulls'. Does that sound like the resume of an award winner for a group advocating for public safety to you? Me neither.

    Within a year of them issuing the “award”, Skeldon stepped down from his position under significant public pressure. The actual citizens who had to put up with Skeldon's behavior, outrageous shelter kill rates and lack of improved public safety actually forced him out of office.

    But nothing may be worse than a fairly recent post (you can click on the picture to the left to read a screen shot of it) actually claiming that parents shouldn't be expected to teach their children to be respectful around dogs even though major, well-respected, dog training groups recommend otherwise. If you can teach a young child to not touch a hot oven, then they can at least understand “caution” around dogs. It is this type of irresponsibility that is making people LESS safe, not more safe.

    Oh, there are other greivences. There is the reality that they claim dogs of even distantly-related breeds — including Boxers, Bulldogs and Mastiffs – to all be 'pit bulls' in their “statistics”. They consistently claim that all of the professional organizations that oppose BSL are only doing so because they are supported by dog fighters*. They sensor all comments on their website that even come remotely close to disputing anything they post — even if it is someone who is providing acutal data that is correcting something they misspoke about — again, censoring other types of thinking isn't exactly something you'd expect from a “public education” website.

    * The all of these organizations are opposed to BSL because they are supported dog fighters and dog breeders is a particularly funny notion. Many of the organizations that oppose BSL spend literally millions upon millions of dollars trying to shut down dog fighting operations, and all of the orgs oppose dog fighting in principle, even if they aren't actively working to shut the groups down. And as for breeding, several of the groups support breeders and several are working very hard to end breeding and spend countless dollars arguing amonst themselves on the breeding issue – -so the idea they would agree on this subject because they are supported by breeders is baseless too — to the point that it's kind of comical.

    And this doesn't even include their inaccurate use of case studies to support their point of view vs reporting the actual data. Or the reality that one city that allowed them to influence their policy-making, Omaha, has had a disasterous year.

    *****

    So, the question then remains, how is it that an organization that has so few real credentials continues to get quoted by media outlets out there?

    One of the things that journalism schools around the nation teach is the importance of providing both sides of a story. There are always two sides, and they teach the importance of providing both. So when it comes to the argument about whether or not to ban 'pit bulls', dogsbite.org ends up being THE ONLY 'organization' in favor of banning 'pit bulls'. So the media almost has to use them, because they are the only ones with the alternative viewpoint.

    And that folks, is the sad truth about dogsbite.org. They are the only one(s) that favor BSL. And they do so based on having a website and google — not with any real expertise in working with dogs.

    And that's very telling.

    Oh sure, they will likely retort with criticisms of me, and what are my true credentials. It's true, that even though I've worked in rescue, and I've worked with hundreds of dogs that would be considered 'pit bulls', I have no credentials after my name. I'm not a certified trainer, or a vet. However, I will say this. My opinion is the same one shared by the national organizations that speak for veterinarians, animal control officers, dog trainers and rescuers throughout the nation. So my ideas and point of view is supported by pretty much everyone that has knowledge of canine/human interactions.

    Their support group is a city attorney in Denver and an animal control officer that was forced out of his job in Toledo. That's it.

    And that's the truth about dogsbite.org. Fine, give them the “other” voice. But let's not mistake them for an organization that has any form of expertise, or any unique knowledge. Let's not mistake them for anything more than a person, with a website, that is seeking revenge for an incident that happened to her. No more, no less.

    On one final note to Ms. Lynn. I am sorry that you were attacked by a dog. And I do hope the owner of the attacking dog was held appropriately accountable for the actions of their dog. But it was one dog — and is not reflective of the millions of dogs out there of this type — and I would encourage you to go to your local shelter and meet some more of the dogs that you seek to destroy. And I hope that pushing for ordinances that actually improve public safety, and that pushing for educating parents on how to introduce pets and children, will trump your desire for personal vengeance so that we can actually create a safer society.

  • PitVictim

    And just what do you think your cut and paste proves? Each one of these and I haven't check on whether you are just blowing smoke or not, takes MONEY. Donations or payment from dog fighters and breeders. Just because an organization is against something doesn't mean they aren't being paid off for their opinion. Duh! And to put the ATTS, well, that shows me how very little you know to name them as “credible” when it is nothing more than a front for dog fighters. Obviously you know nothing about the ATTS either. I would love to list all those in favor of BSL but it would take entirely too much space and time.

    The ASPCA relys on donations and yes, indeed, dog fighters do send them donations. They don't know it but the dogmen talk on their forums about it. This is the professional dogment, not the street fighters. They laugh at how they send a check, make a phone call, and a competitor is busted.

    Why don't you try to live up to your handle and do some credible research for a change and stop the propaganda that the dogmen have put out there for their pawns.

  • PitVictim

    Yes, indeed you do have a true researcher here. And I have a PhD to prove that. And to answer your question, my frequent flyer miles are more than I can ever use. Several decades of dealing with pit bulls fuels my passion to regulate them. I have seen the victims, I see what the pits are doing, everyday. Doesn't matter about observing them daily, they are unpredictable, they don't read the book or follow the rules.

    Believe it or not, whether you're worth it or not, I am trying to save your life, your children's lives, and those around you since you don't care enough to do it.

  • PitVictim

    And you don't talk to an adult that way. And playing games does make you a child. Be a good little girl and brush your teeth this morning. You pretty much have the stupidity slot filled, no room for me.

  • PitVictim

    They found out long ago that when they oppose the dogmen their donations fall. When they oppose no kill, their donations fall. So they do know but don't allow themselves to admit it.

    Do I have to explain everything to you?

  • PitVictim

    Yes, I am, little girl. One would have to question your raising by reading your comments. Seems no one took the advice they say about pits when it came to raising you, raise them right and they won't do any harm. That harm is to yourself, making a fool of yourself by thinking that dog fighting and pit breeding are OK. That's what you are supporting when you use their propaganda.

  • kcdogblog

    When you spin around in circles you do.

    None of that makes a lick of sense. Dog fighters giving money to groups that shut down dog fighting operations. Groups that try to shut down dog fighting operations accepting money from dog fighters. Groups setting their policies based on money they don't know they are getting. And all of this is based on wild speculation without a shred of evidence.

    It's quite a conspiracy theory, that's for sure.

  • Stafford51

    Doesn't matter about observing them daily, they are unpredictable, they don't read the book or follow the rules.

    So my question would be -Do Dalmatians, Beagles, Springer Spaniels, Coon houds etc, READ the book and follow the Rules?
    That is a stupid statement coming from someone who states they have a Ph.D.

  • Stafford51

    I am not a Dog Fighter, nor am I a Breeder. I do not acquire any money for the work that I do in educating people about BSL and its effects on dogs. Unless of course you count the boundless joy and love I receive from working & saving dogs.
    I am not in denial of anything. It is you that lives in denial, fear and an unbalanced sense of reality.
    I see the abuse & torture these animals are put through by the Human Species. They are animals & have a flight or fight response only. When they are not allowed to run from what abuses them & what they fear they have no other choice but to fight for their lives. Its a HUMAN problem.
    Many owners are simply irresponsible and lazy. They do not bother to treat their animals any better than lawn ornaments. They also are the ones that have the most child related instances, as they are often just as lack a daisy with their child care responsibilities as they are with their owner responsibilities.
    Many child / dog issues stem from the Child wondering around Unsupervised. Its a Human issue.
    IF your going to have a dog and/or a child neither one of them should be unsupervised or left to wander on their own. People have to start taking responsibility for their own actions & lack there of.
    Wake Up, and help to solve the issue -not spread useless hatred and fear about something in which you lack knowledge.
    Your narrow minded -one solution to the problem resolve will not stop the unnecessary suffering of children or dogs.

  • Stafford51

    Thank YOU!
    I am in the Gardner Ma,. area, so it would be a stretch to travel. With that said I am willing to help in any way that I can. I am always open to supporting the effort to stop BSL and the hatred that hounds our beloved dogs.
    Please feel free to contact me. I know NY is having its own battles, and the housing authority just enjoyed a small victory by banning our breeds. They haven't heard the last of us yet.
    I am also on Face book if you would like to link to me there.

    ________________________________

  • meaghanedwards

    That's the excuse that these pro BSL nutters use. Everything that isn't DogsBite isn't a credible source to them. Everything else is just word from dog fighters. Even if the source is from the police department which uses rescue pit bulls for detection dogs.

  • PitVictim

    Boy, does DBO make you nervous. DBO doesn't claim to be a pit bull expert, never has. All DBO does is put it all in one place to make it easy for people to get to the truth. Since you want the attacks to continue, I would say that you have some kind of a vendetta against people and their pets. You talk of safety when you have to know how dangerous pits are, when you have to see all the maulings and attacks they do. The pits do it, not the owners. It was bred into them. And not one of you pit nutters will admit what a pit was bred to do, where it gets it name from, fighting in the pit.

    And just take a look when a paper has a poll on pits, thats the support group with people overwhelming agreeing that pits need to go. You state that DBO is the only one seeking BSL. Duh? Seems that this article was written because others want the same thing. And there are cities, counties, and even countries seeking BSL every week, so DBO is definitely not alone. If that were the case, we wouldn't be here, would we? Live up to your handle and do some credible researching for a change.

  • PitVictim

    We don't make excuses, that's what the pit nutters do when one of their own mauls and kills, they make excuses for the dog and could care less about the victim. You do your research before you follow blindly as you do. You check the board members of the AVMA for their associations and see where their money comes from. The ATTS test was never designed to test for a pet. The humane organizations have to protect their donations. These are the things you look for and stop taking things at face value just because it agrees with your agenda. I drank the koolaid of the pit nutters until I learned differently. I did my research and found I was foolish listening the likes of Karen DePiss and KCDogPoop. I suggest that you take the time and do the same.

  • PitVictim

    Did her comment about having a vagina have anything to do with your decision? Late night date, anyone?

  • PitVictim

    Even your precious link, the AVMA, said they are unpredictable. How many deaths can be contributed to dals, beagles, spaniels, or any other breeds, how many? Can you show me a link with those figures? Course not because then it can be compared to the pit records and people could easily see which one is the killer breed. Here's my link for pit attacks, show me something comparible about any other breeds or hell, breeds combined for that matter. http://www.pitattacksbystate.blogspot.com

  • A. Merc <3s Pit bulls

    What's the group link I can find you at on Facebook?

  • Everyone

    We allllllll disagree with you PitVictim, go to dogsbite.org and preach to some brainless zombies over there that care. After reading this I'm appalled at how you've treated a young lady–even referencing that someone who wishes to work with her wants her sexually??

    You are one scary individual.

  • Stafford51

    What the hell are you talking about? Your ignorance and Hatred abounds!
    You are a waste of skin & air. You probably sent away for your Ph.D via the internet!
    You can't have a rational conversation with an irrational person.

  • ROFL

    How does Dogsbite.org ever count at any time as credible information? Colleen Lynn does not own this dog or worked with this type of dog in her life, much like the grand majority of individuals on your site. She was bitten by a dog, so she's an expert on the breed now? I got hit by an SUV and jacked up my leg horribly, am I an expert on cars? Apparently you and the rest of you would think so, yes?

  • ROFL2

    Also, I'm quite sure you wouldn't know a dogfighter if he slapped you sideways and quite frankly, it is much more sensible to believe that you assume that every APBT proponent is a dogfighter because it's much easier to name-sling. Fact being, you cannot prove that most, if any of the people your are calling dogfighters are actually such

  • ROFL3

    I've been badly bitten by:
    Labs
    Chows
    Boxers
    Mutts
    Yorkies
    Airdales
    Shih Tzus
    Mastiffs
    Cocker Spaniels
    And many more. Can we ban those too?

  • drivel

    All the bad points about the attack were the owner-trying to deny responsibility, etc. Not the dog.

    “Beagles, aren’t vicious. Labs aren’t vicious. Even German Shepherds aren’t vicious.”
    Ok, right then you exposed your lack of knowledge. Haven't you noticed police dogs are German
    Shepherds? Many departments use labs? It's not because they won't bite! Beagles, ok, I'll give you that one.

    Come off it. If you run away from a dog…it's going to chase you and bite you. So telling people “get out of the way” would lead to more attacks. Any dog person will tell you to stand your ground and chances are good the dog (any breed) will stop.

    I too was bitten by a dog. Unprompted attack. It was the owners fault for leaving his dog loose in an unfenced yard near a hill where kids rode bikes. Guess what? It was a shepherd mix. The pit mixes my neighbords had would maul you ……with their tongue. Never bit anyone. Did I start a website trying to ban
    mutt dogs because I got bitten? No, that would be silly.

    Don't show fear near a dog, don't leave your kids unsupervised, report any owners letting their dogs run loose on purpose. Those are thing to do to prevent bites…..not damn a breed.

  • bully

    ROFL you are literally making me ROFL<3

  • ams

    Please don’t judge all dogs because of some dumb*** people that think they should fight dogs. I have an English Staffordshire Bull Terrier and every person that has ever seen her has fallen in love with her. She is a great dog! Why don’t you put your energy into prevent the breed from being used for dog fight instead of getting rid of them. And for pit bulls biting more people, when the media only reports on dog bites that are from Pit Bulls people think that they are the only breed that bites but in reality they aren't. I was attacked by a Germen Shepherd but you don’t see people saying they are vicious. I just believe everyone should get the facts before they just think all Pit Bulls are viscous. Pit Bulls are only viscous if someone makes them that way.

  • F. Kemp

    First of all, like everybody knows, there's no bad dogs, or agressive dogs, but irresponsible owners. Any dog can be agressive, and Pitbulls shold not be banned based on those facts, irresponsible owners should be banned not those poor dogs. In the United States, all those people who lives on project and Section 8, those rednecks, and white trashes,has Pibulls. How a person like this can not afford to put food on their table, can't even pay their bills, can have a pitbull??? Think about it people. I have an American Pitbull Terrier not a “Pitbull”. Pitbull is a term those people use, not a breed. I expend more 2 dollars a year with my dog, besides socialization classes he had, special care twice a week, and lot more. How those people can do that? they can't, because they can't even take of them selves. Pitbull shold be a breed for responsable, and wealth people. Before profiling a pitbull, or make any comments, take a look at who's behind the leash!!! That will make a lot difference. Pitbull should not be banned, put those irresponsabel owners, who can't even take care of them selves. American Pitbulls Terrier are great dogs, will aways be, before saying things that you hear on TV, and news like this, buy a book about them, educate yourself, and you will know, this BSL is all bullshit from stupid people who did not have education, and never read a book, or maybe doe's even know how to write their names!!!! “Long life for best American breed”

  • F. Kemp

    First of all, like everybody knows, there's no bad dogs, or agressive dogs, but irresponsible owners. Any dog can be agressive, and Pitbulls shold not be banned based on those facts, irresponsible owners should be banned not those poor dogs. In the United States, all those people who lives on project and Section 8, those rednecks, and white trashes,has Pibulls. How a person like this can not afford to put food on their table, can't even pay their bills, can have a pitbull??? Think about it people. I have an American Pitbull Terrier not a “Pitbull”. Pitbull is a term those people use, not a breed. I expend more “$2000.00” dollars a year with my dog, besides socialization classes he had, special care twice a week, and lot more. How those people can do that? they can't, because they can't even take of them selves. Pitbull shold be a breed for responsable, and wealth people. Before profiling a pitbull, or make any comments, take a look at who's behind the leash!!! That will make a lot difference. Pitbull should not be banned, put those irresponsabel owners, who can't even take care of them selves. American Pitbulls Terrier are great dogs, will aways be, before saying things that you hear on TV, and news like this, buy a book about them, educate yourself, and you will know, this BSL is all bullshit from stupid people who did not have education, and never read a book, or maybe doe's even know how to write their names!!!! “Long life for best American breed”

  • F. Kemp

    First of all, like everybody knows, there's no bad dogs, or agressive dogs, but irresponsible owners. Any dog can be agressive, and Pitbulls shold not be banned based on those facts, irresponsible owners should be banned not those poor dogs. In the United States, all those people who lives on project and Section 8, those rednecks, and white trashes,has Pibulls. How a person like this can not afford to put food on their table, can't even pay their bills, can have a pitbull??? Think about it people. I have an American Pitbull Terrier not a “Pitbull”. Pitbull is a term those people use, not a breed. I expend more 2 dollars a year with my dog, besides socialization classes he had, special care twice a week, and lot more. How those people can do that? they can't, because they can't even take of them selves. Pitbull shold be a breed for responsable, and wealth people. Before profiling a pitbull, or make any comments, take a look at who's behind the leash!!! That will make a lot difference. Pitbull should not be banned, put those irresponsabel owners, who can't even take care of them selves. American Pitbulls Terrier are great dogs, will aways be, before saying things that you hear on TV, and news like this, buy a book about them, educate yourself, and you will know, this BSL is all bullshit from stupid people who did not have education, and never read a book, or maybe doe's even know how to write their names!!!! “Long life for best American breed”

  • F. Kemp

    First of all, like everybody knows, there's no bad dogs, or agressive dogs, but irresponsible owners. Any dog can be agressive, and Pitbulls shold not be banned based on those facts, irresponsible owners should be banned not those poor dogs. In the United States, all those people who lives on project and Section 8, those rednecks, and white trashes,has Pibulls. How a person like this can not afford to put food on their table, can't even pay their bills, can have a pitbull??? Think about it people. I have an American Pitbull Terrier not a “Pitbull”. Pitbull is a term those people use, not a breed. I expend more “$2000.00” dollars a year with my dog, besides socialization classes he had, special care twice a week, and lot more. How those people can do that? they can't, because they can't even take of them selves. Pitbull shold be a breed for responsable, and wealth people. Before profiling a pitbull, or make any comments, take a look at who's behind the leash!!! That will make a lot difference. Pitbull should not be banned, put those irresponsabel owners, who can't even take care of them selves. American Pitbulls Terrier are great dogs, will aways be, before saying things that you hear on TV, and news like this, buy a book about them, educate yourself, and you will know, this BSL is all bullshit from stupid people who did not have education, and never read a book, or maybe doe's even know how to write their names!!!! “Long life for best American breed”

  • FightBSL

    To “PitVictim”

    You are just plain racist! I bet you think every kid with a loud sporty car is looking for trouble, every irish person is a drunk, every German is a nazi, every Mexican is illegal, every italian is I’ll-tempered, and native American has a gambling problem, every “pitbull” owner is a white trash dog fighter, and all canadiens are seal killers.

    You’re ridiculous. People like you caused the downfall of our society. Breed Specific Legislation = Race Specific Legislation. Try putting your head on straight and actually THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. no breed is all vicious just like no race is all bad. Every breed, every race has bad seeds. Saying there’s more vicious pitbulls than any other breed is like saying more murder-rapist black men than any other race. It’s racist. It’s wrong. It’s stupid and it’s sick. Every creature learns from life experiences and the way we are raised. I’ve had to put my 3 pound chihuahua away to keep her from biting a 3 year old while he chased my APBT grabbing his tail all while being kissed. my mom wouldn’t let my siblings come over when she found out we got a “pitbull” once she finally met him she fell in love with him. My inlaws told us to get rid of him when we told them we were trying to get pregnant and again when we found out we were. Of course our families are still narrow minded and say he’s different from the rest but it’s all about consistency, training, dicipline, and routine. We have a pack with total rank. No dog challenges me or my husband and have already given Topanga her top rank as well. O and by the way-I’m 21 my husband is 22 and my pit & pit mix are 2. I am open to debate and I’ve done and am still doing my research. My inlaws 11 year old poodle-chihuahua has bit my pit MANY times and he’s never once turned on her. Every night he cuddles with that little 3 pound chihuahua I spoke of earlier. No dog deserves to be put down just because others who look like him have made mistakes. I’ll pray for you. Racist thinking isn’t welcome in Heaven. But Tiger will be welcomed with open arms.

    From One Proud American (Irish, Italian, German, Native American) mom to 8 dogs (including 1 full-blooded pit and 1 pit-lab) and a dog-loving 8 month old daughter who is loved and kissed by all of them.

  • FightBSL

    Sadly some vets do unjustly keep pits out of their waiting rooms. I had to go to an emergency clinic for my pit (he was swelling in his chest, we later found out it was a terrible case of celulitis) they took me back to a room moments after getting my info. Of course I thought it was because of the emergency but after I sat in a room for over an hour with no help I realized differently. Once they finally did look at him they couldn’t figure out the problem. Next morning we went to my vet and he new within a minute of looking at him and was appualled they didn’t catch it. Some vets don’t care nor deserve their license. As for “pitvictim”s earlier comment about vets only cringing about money: when Tiger went through all this my husband had JUST started back to work after lose his job 7 months prior. His entire first paycheck went to the first bill, which they vet had knocked over $100 off of. All the services after that, which cost over $600, he let us make weekly payments of $50 on til it was paid off. Tiger stayed with them for a week and everyone in the office told me how amazing he was and they hadn’t seen such a well behaved dog. There are vets out there that took the job because they love animals. I’m grateful and lucky to have found one.

  • eugene

    pitbulls are the best dog out there. the only reason they are facored by dog fighters is because of their strong loyalty to their owners. they are very strong and are sadly taken advantaged of. if a pitbull is raised correctly then it will be the best dog. i dont beleive their are pitbull fights in everett.